Episode 162 is Gary Ludwig. There is so much talk, questions, and articles written about should college degrees be mandatory for EMTs and Paramedics? This week on Medic2Medic Gary and I dive into this topic. Gary is the fire chief for the City of Champaign, Illinois. Gary has been a paramedic and leader in both EMS and fire for over 39 years. Gary and his team when he was with Memphis and St. Louis EMS systems were recognized nationally with awards. Gary has written over 500 articles for EMS and fire journals and speaks nationally at conferences. Gary and I discuss his article and his thoughts on degrees, leadership, and his career.